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I’d imagine the Endless could challenge her in power, as could Mandrakk at his height and Cosmic Armor Superman due to their adaptability and Cosmic Armor Superman’s plot manipulation. Perpetua in and of herself was an interesting new factor in the cosmology but she can never amount to anything because of him.

Hot. He makes a mockery of all the other characters with his ridiculous plot armour and access to hidden knowledge so extreme such that he is ruining the DC universe on and off the page. I'm not saying DC needs a direct equivalent but clearly they want to create longstanding characters who oversee the multiversal landscape. Featuring weekly comic release discussions, creator AMAs, a friendly and helpful userbase, and much more! She's gotta be above Spectre. The unofficial DC Comics Subreddit A place for fans of DC's comics, graphic novels, movies, and anything else related to one of the largest comic book publishers in the world and home of the World's Greatest Superheroes!

Perpetua was always going to be irrelevant, she existed solely as another rung on the madder for The Batman Who Laughs to climb. The unofficial DC Comics Sub-Reddit A place for fans of DC's comics, graphic novels, movies, and anything else related to one of the largest comic book publishers in the world and home of the World's Greatest Superheroes!

Cookies help us deliver our Services. I know very little about Perpetua, but unless I've missed something big, creating universes is way above Spectre's pay grade.

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She's basically Presence 2.0.

I don't think Presence has been top dog for a while. Her design seems much to busy, like it's trying hard to be evil.

23. pinned by moderators. I wish comic fans would stop putting so much emphasis on continuity. Somewhere near the top, but not the top top. 29 days ago. DC should really separate power hierarchy and not mix it with Vertigo’s. idk what your point is.

Presence is definitely still super powerful, but I think theres a few guys beyond him at this point.

I mean, she is like the big bad guy who stay on his throne while other make the job and now with Rise of New God she will die without do nothing interesting :T. I mean, i know she's dangerous but, even Barbatos has some interactions with some heroes but Perpetua... well... To be fair, Luthor is quite clearly the villain of the run; I wouldn't call it a failure if it ends with him looking more charismatic than her. I honestly don't think she's going to be shown to be SUPER powerful.

A place for fans of DC's comics, graphic novels, movies, and anything else related to one of the largest comic book publishers in the world and home of the World's Greatest Superheroes! Then like, why even ask the question to begin with? As fleshed out as the DC multiverse is, Marvel has Galactus and Eternity and a whole ranking of Celestials. Given that Krona is the one that figured out about her, I'd say, yeah that's the intent. Change my mind, anyone?

And that’s just limiting it to things that Morrison has written. Moderator of r/washingtondc [Discussion] DC Unemployment Questions, Help and Resources . Join.

Snyder's run reminds me a lot of the 90's stuff.

Calling it now, BWL will hijack Perpetua's position as Death Metal's big bad guy. ..... or even The presence? I'm still amazed DC allowed Synder to retcon DC Multiverse creator just so Batclown could look badass. There's nothing wrong than her being a means to his end. I hope they go the Beyonders route. They can even utilize the characters like Endless unless they ask Neil.



I also doubt the validity of Perpetua creating the Monitor and Anti Monitor. Discord. 309k Featuring weekly comic release discussions, creator AMAs, a friendly and helpful userbase, and much more! Both Dax Novu and Rod Ogama Mandrakk are stronger (Rox Ogama, a the weaker of the two beat the Spectre and the Radiant), as is Superman when he’s got the Cosmic Armor.

That being said he should still be above Michael/Lucifer I think. (she does give birth to The monitor, anti-monitor .....), or Specter? 374k Honestly think he's the worst character ever.

As fleshed out as the DC multiverse is, Marvel has Galactus and Eternity and a whole ranking of Celestials. The Wilson Building.

I think Over-Monitor is technically 'greater' than Presence (all 'story' and all events take place within a germ within itself, Presence was simply "God" of this infinitesimal speck) and also Elaine is canonically stronger than Presence. Luthor was a bigger menace than her and then BWL was the next direct menace. DC Elseworlds. It goes against what’s been established in the past both IRL and in Universe, and doesn’t account for the events of Final Crisis and Final Crisis: Superman Beyond. I am enjoying Death Metal and his League run was awesome. Press J to jump to the feed. She's 100% the hand Krona saw at the beginning of creation, correct? The Overmonitor is the real top dog, and all the members of the Gentry should beat out Spectre.

Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. I think it's fair to want meaningful multi-dimensional characters that can become imbedded in the lore of the DC Universe... Yep, its kinda sad cause even on Justice League she was irrelevant.

My point is cosmic world building.

The Overmonitor is still the top dog, with Elaine Belloc and the Presence beneath it, along with Lucifer and Michael. The quality or merit of a story doesn't hinge on how often it's referenced later on by other authors. I would put Perpetua as top dog of DC, if they make her at least on par with the Living Tribunal, who I put and is above Luci and Michael. Despite happening before Flashpoint, Manhattan wasn’t, and still isn’t powerful enough to affect the Monitor sphere, so as we see in The Unexpecteds, Superman Beyond is still canon. ikr, they made it more complicated than ever, The reason being is that the first 4 and their power are directly related to the 'big G' God, who created literally everything, whereas Perpetua (man that's a silly name) only created the DC multiverse (or at least most of it), Edit: What's with fans these days?

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